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S H O P T A L K
The Foundation of Good Compliance & Governance
During our latest roundtable,
hosted w ith Boeing, executives
from American Airlines, AT&T, and
elsewhere discussed strategies for
building an effective structure for
compliance to flourish
R ig h t: P a n e lis ts a t th e re c e n t
C o m p lia n c e W e e k /B o e in g fo ru m on
c o rp o ra te g o v e rn a n c e .
B y J o e M o n t
Every company is unique, and its compliance program must be too if it has any chance of working well,
but there are still some common aspects
that most high-functioning compliance
and governance programs share.
Compliance and governance can’t just
be wedged into existing functions and
reporting lines; integration must be care
fully engineered so it effectively meshes
with business lines and a wide variety of
departments, from internal audit to HR,
IT, and finance. At the same time, compli
ance must have the independence it needs
to surface concerns, play a lead role in in
vestigations, and influence culture.
Those dual interests were an underly
ing theme at the latest Compliance Week
executive roundtable, co-hosted with
Boeing Co. in Dallas in November. Com
pliance executives from a wide range of
industries and companies, including Boe
ing, GE Capital, AT&T, Dr Pepper Snap-
pie, and American Airlines, shared strat
egies on structuring and organizing the
compliance function. They all weighed
in on what compliance and governance
means to their organizations and how it
flows through to various reporting lines.
“We all struggle with and debate over
where should all these different functions
sit—compliance, enterprise risk manage
ment, audit, enterprise information gov
ernance, and corporate governance,” said
Judy Carter, vice president for compliance
and audit for BNSF Railway. “There are
so many common goals that run through
each of these functions. The objective is
to structure your organization so you can
effectively leverage all of these efforts.
Roundtable participants agreed that
compliance officers tend to wear sev
eral hats and that it’s not always easy to
move among the many different neces
sary roles. Staying on top of everything
can be a challenge and as businesses grow
or evolve, complications are even more
pronounced.
Eric Hinton, senior director of ethics
and compliance for 7-Eleven, said his goal
is to bring order to “pieces of compliance
that live in a lot of different places.” “We
can improve that by consolidating and ra
tionalizing it and making it more coherent
across the enterprise,” he said.
Within the corporation, effective in
teraction with other areas is a concern
that Doug Cotton, managing director of
American Airlines’ business ethics and
compliance program had in common with
other roundtable participants. Compli
ance oversight raises a thorny issue: “How
far do we push without having them think
we are trying to take over.”
Buy-in from executive leadership alone
doesn’t necessarily make that effort any
easier. “We get really good tone from the
top and have really good policies. The
struggle is making sure everybody un
derstands those policies,” Eric Bowman,
chief compliance officer for Darling In
ternational, said.
Diana Sands, senior vice president for
the Office of Internal Governance at Boe
ing, described compliance at the aerospace
giant as a journey. What originated as a
response and enforcement function now
has a “vision around enabling company
performance.” The important question:
“Can we gain a competitive advantage if
we do it more effectively and efficiently?”
In her role, Sands oversees Boeing’s
compliance and ethics program. She is re
sponsible for ethics, trade controls, com
pliance risk management, and the team
of professionals who comprise internal
audit. “In the beginning, it was all about
setting up the appropriate structure and
rules,” she said. “What we have evolved
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to is being an integrated business partner,
a function that provides centralized and
focused expertise in the field and is also
integrated with the businesses.” By bring
ing multiple interests to the same table,
the goal is to foster a seamless sharing of
information among stakeholders, she said.
Talking the W alk
W hile proper care and feeding is necessary to get company leadership to
work toward the same goal as the compli
ance team, tone at the middle may require
just as much finesse. “The bigger chal
lenge is in the middle,” one participant
said. The diplomatic task at hand is to not
have them thinking that compliance “is
questioning their own judgment, ethics,
or professionalism.” “You are not really
trying to do that, but there is that percep
tion,” he added.
Expectations must be reasonable. “You
have to also exercise good judgment,” one
participant said. “You can’t turn over ev
ery pebble on the beach or chase every
rabbit.” Success depends upon having
credibility throughout the business units
and displaying a “willingness to hear
what their key risks are, rather than just
assuming on your own.”
Improving the perception of compli
ance-avoiding the view that its role is to
be a police officer for the organization or,
that old cliche, it is the “Department of
No,”—was presented as an ongoing battle.
What is the best way to create an alternate
perception, as a partner and facilitator for
the business?
“We have to really know the business
and help the business units understand
the compliance risks; that is where we can
help,” Sands said of intra-company out
reach.
“Every dollar spent on remediation is a
dollar the business can’t spend on innova
tion,” agreed William Gordon, associate
general counsel for Hercules Offshore.
“At the same time, a strong compliance
program can improve the quality of the
business and deliver a sustained return on
investment.”
U n ify in g Factors
Another important aspect of effective compliance and governance func
tions is that they work well with related
functions, such as legal, audit, and HR. It
is important to understand how various
functions operate within their own sphere
of influence. “There are just a lot of dif
ferences in terms of approach,” one par
ticipant said. “Auditors and accountants
are going to want to follow the book and
follow COSO to a ‘T.’ Lawyers are more
procedurally oriented.”
“No matter what, compliance organi
zations need to work closely with their
functional partners,” Sands said. "In-
house counsel, HR, finance, and other
subject matter experts are important team
players. In all my groups there are law
yers and other functions tied in,” she ex
plained. “To be effective, it’s important to
OVERHEARD AT THE ROUNDTABLE
"To be effective, it's important to be cross-functionally integrated and well-embedded
in the business processes."
Diana Sands, Boeing
We all struggle with and debate over where should all these different functions sit—
compliance, enterprise risk management, audit, enterprise information governance,
and corporate governance. There are so many common goals that run through each of
these functions. The objective is to structure your organization so you can effectively
leverage all of these efforts."
Judy Carter, BNSF Railway
"Every dollar spent on remediation is a dollar the business can't spend on innovation.
At the same time, a strong compliance program can improve the quality of the busi
ness and deliver a sustained return on investment."
William Gordon, Hercules Offshore
"We get really good tone from the top and have really good policies. The struggle is
making sure everybody understands those policies."
Eric Bowman, Darling International
"We have a quarterly compliance meeting where we bring lots of people together
who don't report up to the CCO. You have HR there and audit, safety, security, cus
toms, and environmental. We get all sorts of people together who don't normally talk
so they can share ideas."
Doug Cotton, American Airlines
"Our goal is to bring order to pieces of compliance that live in a lot of different places.
We can improve that by consolidating and rationalizing it and making it more coherent
across the enterprise."
Eric Hinton, 7-Eleven
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Above: Forum participants discuss their concerns about and strategies for crafting an effective
compliance and governance program.
be cross-functionally integrated and well-
embedded in the business processes.”
The unifying factor, what all ultimate
ly puts them on the same team, is risk.
“One of the synergies taking place in the
governance space is the ability for compli
ance, legal, and internal audit to approach
challenges from a consistent risk perspec
tive,” says Steve Koslow, chief ethics and
compliance officer for CUNA Mutual
Fund Group. “With greater communica
tion and a common framework for risk
analysis these areas can better coordinate
the services they provide. If everybody is
looking through the same risk lens, risk
prioritization becomes an effective means
for allocating limited business area re
sources.”
“We have a quarterly compliance meet
ing where we bring lots of people together
who don’t report up to the CCO,” Cot
ton said. “You have HR there and audit,
safety, security, customs, and environ
mental. We get all sorts of people together
who don’t normally talk so they can share
ideas.”
“I often find I’m called upon to be the
one putting focus to all those lenses,”
Bowman said of his role. “I can speak
legal, I can speak accounting, and I can
speak HR.”
Optics M atte r
A world-class compliance function doesn’t only just function well, it can
also demonstrate that effectiveness. Faced
with an investigation or government in
quiry, a company cannot just describe
its compliance efforts, it must document
them. That proof of concept is an effort
that extends company-wide. “We may be
doing everything right, but we need to
demonstrate that we are doing everything
right,” it was observed.
Ultimately, no matter the structure or
who reports where, “The end game for
compliance and auditing is exactly the
same,” Carter said. “Each function may
get there very differently, but they have
the same ultimate goal. Risk is never
completely eliminated from any business
model, but both functions work to reduce
risk as much as possible and minimize po
tential exposure.” ■
"If everybody is looking through the same risk lens, risk
prioritization becomes an effective means for allocating limited
business resources."
Steve Koslow, Chief Ethics & Compliance Officer, CUNA Mutual Fund Group
P A R T IC IP A N T S
These panelists participated in the Nov. 6 Compliance Week & Boeing roundtable on structuring compliance and ethics.
Candice Aaron
Chief Compliance Officer,
Equipment
& Commercial Division,
General Electric
Jennifer Armstrong
Enterprise Compliance &
Ethics Director,
State Farm
Insurance Cos.
Susan Bounds
Director-Corp.
Compliance,
AT&T
Eric Bowman
Chief Compliance Officer,
Darling International
Judy Carter
VP, Compliance
& Audit,
BNSF Railway Co.
Doug Cotton
Managing Director,
Business Ethics
& Compliance Program,
American Airlines
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Boeing's Diana Sands discussed the evolution to "integrated business
partner."
Speaking at right: Susan Bounds, director of corporate compliance for
AT&T; at left, Candice Aaron, chief compliance officer at GE.
At left, William Gordon of Hercules Offshore; CUNA Mutual's Steve Koslow
(center); far right is Doug Cotton of American Airlines.
Art Swanson, assistant general counsel for Dr Pepper Snapple Group,
spoke about the differences in approach. Judy Carter of BNSF Railway
is at right.
William Gordon
Associate General
Counsel,
Hercules Offshore Inc.
Eric Hinton
Sr. Director of Ethics
& Compliance,
7-Eleven
Steve Koslow
Chief Ethics &
Compliance Officer,
CUNA Mutual
Diana Sands
SVP, Office of Internal
Governance,
The Boeing Co.
Art Swanson
VP, Assistant General
Counsel,
Dr Pepper Snapple Group
Graham Vanhegan
Deputy General Counsel,
Corporate,
Chief Compliance Officer,
ConocoPhillips
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